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X-Posted from H-NET List for African History and Culture <H-AFRICA@H-NET.MSU.EDU> From: Joyce Youmans <youmans@MAIL.H-NET.MSU.EDU> _______ REPLY 1 From: "Rota, Giorgio" <Giorgio.Rota@oeaw.ac.at> Date: Mon, May 17, 2010 2:50 pm Asar Imhotep wrote: " A matter of fact, the word Man derives from an African word: IMANA, MWENA, MANI [...] This travelled in the Indo-European languages: mand (danish), man (Swedish), mann (Dutch)". I have the impression that most linguists would not take this statement so matter-of-factually. Even acknowledging that Africa is the cradle of mankind, one does not see easily how this may have happened. Furthermore, a comparison between African words recorded in relatively recent times and the word for "man" in the common Indoeuropean language (which was spoken several millennia before Christ, provided such a language ever existed) does not seem scholarly sound. It seems to posit that African languages are immutable and always existed in the form they have today. Also, comparing Kala/Kaka/Kaka Yetu with Hebrew HaKadosh on the basis that all contain the syllable /ka/ seems somewhat arbitrary. Best regards, Giorgio Rota _______ REPLY 2 From: "Asar Imhotep" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, May 17, 2010 7:21 pm In response to Giorgio Rota Peter Sturrock, Professor of Space Science at Standford in California, offered this as one of the guidelines for those dealing with anomalous phenomena: 1) In studying any phenomenon, face up to the strongest evidence you can find, even if it is in conflict with current orthodoxy. This informs Michael Shermer's 25 fallacies that lead us to believe weird things #19: 19) Overreliance on authorities. We tend to rely heavily on authorities in our culture, especially if the authority is considered to be highly intelligent. Authorities, by virtue of their expertise in a field, may have a better chance of being right in that field, but correctness is certainly not guaranteed, and their expertise does not necessarily qualify them to draw conclusions in other areas. Your argument is one based on authority instead of engaging the information directly. Regardless of your "feelings," what matters is the evidence which are independent of how one feels. There is a European linguist out of New Zealand by the name of GJK Campbell-Dunn whose whole body of work demonstrates the African Origins of Classical Civilization (he also has a book by this title) demonstrating this through anthropology and linguistics. I would recommend you get the work COMPARATIVE LINGUISTICS: INDO-EUROPEAN AND NIGER-CONGO. He has done a preliminary article which demonstrates the grounds for which he later wrote the book. So i would get the book for the most update analysis. But here's a link to the preliminary work if you understand linguistics. http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/gc_dunn/Comparative_Linguistics.pdf My analysis is based on a full body of work not mentioned in this reply for the sake of brevity. Other works you may want to check out is Martin Bernal's Black Athena Vol. III The Linguistic Evidence which demonstrates how Afrisan leximes entered into Indo-European and the other authors who support this notion. As well one can read many works by Theophile Obenga and Modupe Oduyoye who basically destroy the notion of an isolated Afro-Asiatic family in the first place. I will be writing the forward in the near future to a work titled The African Origins of Ireland. This will be written by a European descended author out of NY, which actually supports some of the contentions of Catherine Acholonu's findings of the Igbo writings in Ireland commonly called the Oghem script. I actually do have cause for concern for the method of many of her claims in various books. But on this subject she seems to be sound given the knowledge from other authors. When examining lexical items between languages they must stand on two legs: meaning and form. Your critique should be based on that. Asar Imhotep http://www.asarimhotep.com