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I must say that I have found the collected views presented by the panelist to be of very high quality and very useful. As a current PhD candidate in War Studies, the insights into the discussed works are very welcome and represent a very valuable contribution to my program of study. It was especially useful as I must admit to not having read any of these works - yet. Based upon this discussion these works and others discussed by the panelists will definitely added to my program. I would like to offer a number of observations and comments to the follow-on discussion. It may be bringing coals to Newcastle, but I do want to note that in my own program I am making a distinction between war as a phenomenon and warfare - the later being "how war is made" or "how wars are fought." I have found that this facilitates my own study. As regards the question of culture and war, the military as a part of or as something distinct from a larger culture - I have long argued that how a society makes war, how and what kind of 'military" it chooses to create, all reflect upon the larger society or culture, its values, and its resources. A number of comments offered by the panelists also, I am forced to admit, brought to mind the military proverb that "amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics." I believe that an examination of the logistics support systems and capabilities available to the various militaries, armies, etc under discussion will shed some light on why certain societies in different periods of history made war the way they did. For example, compare the logistics support available to the army of a Grecian city-state to that available to the Roman legions of the late Roman republic or of the early to middle years of the Roman empire. In response to Wayne Lee's useful observation on Lynn's assertion that "early" societies progressed through "stages" of military development - it may be useful to cast the net a bit wider even to include in this discussion the changes introduced under Shaka Zulu to how wars were fought, as well as the changes made by some of the Native Americans as they adapted to the introduction of horses and eventually of fire arms and especially repeating rifles. While not claiming to have a final answer on this point myself, such a broader study may well produce answers or at least deepened our understanding of how societies adapt their military and their way of war to technological change (to include new organizational and administrative ideas). Wayne Lee's discussion of Lynn's treatment of enlightenment warfare does not address whether or not Lynn drew the links and distinctions between siege and warfare and decisive battle that I expected. For example, both Marlborough and his French opponents used sieges as a means of drawing the opponents field army into battle in pursuit of a decisive clash. Nor does the discussion appear to address the logistics importance of the fortified places for the support of the field armies, the fortified cities placed under siege were selected at least in part for the potential logistics importance. Mark Grimsley offered some thoughtful comments on the question of the impact of racism in war, especially in the Pacific theater during World War II. If he is not aware of it, he may find of interest a fragment I read from an early war Japanese Army intelligence brief that discussed the reluctance of American troops to cease fighting and be taken prisoner even in clearly hopeless circumstances. If in fact such reluctance existed, and I don't doubt it, I would personally attribute this in part to the reports they must have had regarding the Japanese treatment of prisoners. I assume that there are statistics available on the number of US soldiers taken captive by the Japanese from the Guadalcanal campaign to the end of the war which might shed some light on this assertion as well. I would second Mark Ramsay's comments on Lynn's discussion of South Asia, noting that even the older British military accounts discuss the distinction between India's "martial" and "non-martial" races, suggesting a strong cultural influence on how they made war. With regard to several valuable observations by Stephen Badsey - there certainly is an Egyptian discourse on the 1973 war as reflected not just in the Suez Canal memorial but in the army museum and the October War memorial complex in Cairo. - regarding the connection or disconnection between the function and the uses of a military by the society of which it is a part. I would argue that armies are designed and intended for the conduct of warfare - but this has in no way prevented the larger society from using the army to maintain internal security, to provide general education and socialization of immigrants, and to provide higher education and specialized skills that will contribute to building national infrastructure. But these functions are not normally "designed" into the creation and structure of the military but are additional tasks sometimes assigned knowingly or which arise as ancillary and not designed functions. Thanks to all the panelists and I look forward to the follow-on discussion. Robert A. Mosher _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp
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