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Subj: Re: COMMENT: Gulf War Pilots Date: 96-06-27 12:23:12 EDT From: email@example.com (Dorothy H. Mackey) To: H-MINERVA@h-net.msu.edu (H-NET List for Discussion of Women & the Military and Women in War) I can not say for fact I was uncomfortable with this label, frankly most of the pilots I knew were aware of their label and simply rolled around in it. I was more bothered by the fact that so many others rarely if never received praise for being an important part of the mission. I often believed that if US pilots (not all) were to have to learn how to fix their own planes like the Germany's did that maybe they would have a greater appreciation of others work. However, the training and the military attitude feeds this attitude as if it is a black widow, able to eat its own. I was always amazed at how calious and cruel US male pilots were to each other. I couldn't imagine being on the same side together, I just hope the female pilots do not give up the positive attributes of being themselves to fit in. Historically it has been seen that many males in power will never except women in the military role. Dorothy H. Mackey >>Subj: "prime donne" >>Date: 96-06-25 13:37:31 EDT >>From: SalvatoB@oeus.psb.bls.gov (Salvatore_B) >>To: firstname.lastname@example.org (minerva) " I must share with you that as a woman in service I was equally uncomfortable with the male "preema donna" attitude of male pilots," <<<<<<<< [response to above from SalvatoB@oeus.psb.bls.gov] <<<<<<<< "male 'prima donna'" -- a pregnant phrase indeed. responsible w orkers just get the job done; that's the first priority, not preening about one's ability. i wonder -- what one male thinks if another male calls the first a prima donna? -- what "primo uomo" means in opera terms -- perhaps "leading man"? -- what Italian papers translate the position of the USA president's spouse as? (surely "prima donna" is the antithesis of what many occupants have thought they should act like in that position.) -- would the male who would the most assiduously avoid any action which could lead to his being labeled a prima donna be the spouse of a head of state or head of government? ramblingly, W. L. Salvatore