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Hello Tom.... you stated in a recent mail "and although we may not agree on the definition of intelligence or IQ, one of the interesting artifacts of this ancient effort it that no one--at least to my knowledge--has ever come up with a way to measure IQ," The point is, there is nothing in reality that is IQ... to say that no one has come up with a way to measure it.... suggests that it is out there waiting... inteligence exists only because "we" say it does. Its ok to talk about "it".. but lets not forget what we are doing when we do..... its like research..... is the reality of the research created by the researcher and the paradigm (system) he/she is working in? of course... that is the problem with empiricism..... people believe it. bob muffoletto univ. of northern iowa firstname.lastname@example.org