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Art Schwartz mentions the quip by former New Zealand Prime Minister that when New Zealanders were migrating to Australia in the mid 80s that the national IQ in both countries were being raised. As a New Zealander I can see why that is amusing especially within the context of New Zealanders and Australians often making jokes about each other. It has been ritualized within NZ Television where comedy shows will make fun of Aussies. And the latest extension of this is a NZ show that has actors as Australians making fun of New Zealanders so we can laugh at our- selves. That aside even if the reforms of the then Prime Minister had raised the IQ of both countries it was not sufficient to justify the reforms that many saw as extreme, which is why some people were not impressed by the joke when it was made. After that small aside on Trans Tasman relations (relations between Aus & NZ for those not familiar with the Lingo) a suggestion for further discussion on national IQ (and some question of whether it exists or not) is to make sure we distinguish between the concept of intelligence and intelligence quotient. Michael Gaffney firstname.lastname@example.org Education Dept Otago University Dunedin New Zealand