View the H-War Discussion Logs by month
View the Prior Message in H-War's March 2010 logs by: [date] [author] [thread]
View the Next Message in H-War's March 2010 logs by: [date] [author] [thread]
Visit the H-War home page.
From: McGrath, John J CIV USA TRADOC <email@example.com> Subject: RE: REPLY: Why War Movies get it right occasionally (UNCLASSIFIED) Date: March 31, 2010 11:09:55 AM EDT To: H-NET Military History Discussion List <H-WAR@H-NET.MSU.EDU> The 24th Regiment of Foot was not from Monmouthshire in 1879 (although that surely would have fit into the later name (1882) of the unit "South Wales Borderers"). It was officially called the 24th Regiment of Foot (2d Warwickshire). In 1879 Warwickshire included the industrial city of Birmingham (The current county does not as Birmingham later became a separate county). Any Welshmen in the regiment came from Birmingham, not Wales or Monmouthshire. They were either former factory workers or the sons of factory workers. The Welsh angle in the movie is, therefore, clearly an anachronism. In 1882 the regiments of the British Army were revamped and names replaced numbers and some, including the former 24th, had their recruitment areas changed. John J. McGrath Leavenworth, KS From: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: REPLY: Why War Movies get it right occasionally Date: March 31, 2010 12:46:23 AM EDT To: H-NET Military History Discussion List <H-WAR@H-NET.MSU.EDU> Reply-To: email@example.com Errr, James Booth played Private Hook, not Oliver Reed. See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058777/  for the full cast list. cheers Brian Ross Academic of Life -----Original Message----- From: Jasminjo2@aol.com Subject: Why War Movies get it right occasionally-Reply Date: March 30, 2010 12:16:18 PM EDT To: H-NET Military History Discussion List <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: Scott N. Hendrix, Ph.D. <hendsn1@GMAIL.COM> It's no doubt entirely true to note that the unit which fought at Rorke's Drift wasn't anything like as Welsh as the film implies (though there is a quibble- while Monmouthshire might not have been part of Wales for administrative purposes in 1879 it's inhabitants would mostly have seen themselves as Welsh). Interestingly the film doesn't entirely disguise the substantial English (and other) element in the ranks- that most English of actors Oliver Reed effectively playing himself in the guise of Private Hook (apparently a libel on the actual Private Hook) while the sergeant major is thoroughly English. The reality, though, is that in terms of cultural memory Rorke's Drift is now a thoroughly Welsh affair- no doubt assisted by the fact that most of the VCs awarded for that action ended up physically in a regimental museum in Wales. References to Rorke's Drift used to be a commonplace of sportswriting cliche whenever a Welsh rugby team dug out a narrow win by last ditch defensive heroics. Brian G H Ditcham Jasminjo2@aol.com ----- For subscription help, go to: http://www.h-net.org/lists/help/ To change your subscription settings, go to http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=h-war -----