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From: Rick Ramos <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: RE: [SPAM] REPLY: War movies are wrong, how and why Date: March 4, 2010 8:25:58 PM EST To: H-NET Military History Discussion List <H-WAR@h-net.msu.edu> Reply-To: email@example.com Glad to see the war movies of every era aren't being beaten up too badly. Sure, the history is questionable, the tanks are not quite right, and in "1941" the Japanese are bombing Spruance class destroyers moored in Pearl Harbor. Rear Adm. Raymond Spruance was an escort group commander for Adm. Halsey on December 7. Lest we forget, however, how many of us have to admit the spark of an interest in history was struck by these and other historically inaccurate movies? Sure we have to unlearn some stuff, and relearn other stuff, but the fact is these movies probably play a big part in spawning the next generation of historians. How many studying pirates first became interested after watching the Buccaneer with Yul Brenner and Charlton Heston, how about Rodger's Rangers for the French and Indian or Seven Years War, All Quiet on the Western Front or Private York for WWI, how many of us learned our first "facts" about WWII watching D-Day, They Were Expendable, or the plethora of movies about that global conflict, what about MASH and Korea, how about Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, or Hamburger Hill, for Vietnam. Same deal with other genres of film and fields of historical study. Fantasies, and that might be too severe a characterization, such as these spark questions and uninformed inquiry which leads to informed inquiry. After all, how many young kids get inspired by the NFL, NBA, or MLB only to find out they'll never make it, but it sparks an interest that leads people into coaching, athletic training, equipment managers, strength and conditioning, etc. Hell, even those sports lead some to sports history on the back of trading cards which leads to serious study of sports history, etc., etc. Let's keep in mind it all has to start somewhere. Rick Ramos Graduate History Student Florida Gulf Coast University -----Original Message----- From: H-NET Military History Discussion List [mailto:H-WAR@h-net.msu.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Hendrix Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:08 PM To: H-WAR@h-net.msu.edu Subject: [SPAM] REPLY: War movies are wrong, how and why Importance: Low From: Abrigon Gusiq <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Re: REPLY: War movies are wrong, how and why (2) Date: March 3, 2010 6:22:35 PM EST To: H-NET Military History Discussion List <H-WAR@H-NET.MSU.EDU> Even war documentaries are biased and not always close to the truth. Propoganda/censors/gag orders, needs and such. Remember Vietnam, aka the Living Room War? To real, to close to reality, even if seen through the eyes of anyone, let alone a reporter.. Some as are close as possible. But even they have limits, such as censors/equipment (camera), period equipment and more? Time period, or how many movies before WW2/Pearl Harbor, and how many post-pearl harbor? Many around pearl harbor seem to be very much into dehumanizing the Japanese, to make it easier for the US to go into WW2 feeling self rightious, and making it easier to kill the animal the Japanese soldier, versus the human in a Japanese army uniform. Love the quote from "Big Red One" about you kill animals, you murder humans. Once the movies got done with things, I suspect many saw the Japanese soldier as some sort of short demonic being that was evil and must DIE! Timing is a major thing I expect, what audience are you going for? And what is the political/thoughts on things? War Movies go from being realistic to being almost fantasy, depending on what decade they are.. Went from WW2/Korean War to Vietnam? Some period WW2 movie are almost fantasy, the US soldiers being almost godlike/heroic.. To Vietnam, to being dirty, gritty and what else? Kellys Heros, real, fantasy, or 1960s anti-war war movie? Some aspects from my time in, are close to true, or more the irony of things, Captain sending a boat back to the US, warning his men about looting? But I date from post-Vietnam? We had a Supply Sergeant who had some aspects of "Crap Game" but he was ethical. But Crap Game had shades of a later War Movie character, the scrounger of Green Beret. Heros or humans? Maybe we can break down movies we know, and place them in a time line? To compare when they was made and the world outside aka the costumers/time period needs (war was on and it was used as a recruiting tool?). Also how heroic things are, or tragic or what other elements? The Undefeated - Post-US Civil War. Confederates on the run, to Mexico, finding themselves in the middle of the fall of Emperor Maximillian and the Rise of ? Battle of the Bulge, some elements are supposedly close to reality, but cause of time and resources things was cut back, merged and such? Like the M41 tanks filling in for Shermans and M60s for Tigers? (may remember in error). The 300, no one mentions that the Spartans were more than just battle buddies but paired lovers.. Not that it had any relavance to the movie. Change of motivations and culture due to current morals/PC? I remember the days when if you saw a add for Military Recruitment, it would be booed off the stage. To its almost mandatory to have a Military Advertismetn, nice change of movie theatres.. Times do change. Used to be to get a good positive comment about a Marine, it almost had to be a Maring fighting some alien in outer space!? Movie almost a horror/war movie? Mike Adams Alaska ----- For subscription help, go to: http://www.h-net.org/lists/help/ To change your subscription settings, go to http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=h-war -----