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1. "Horky, Roger Karl" <email@example.com> 2. "Kuehn, John Dr CIV USA TRADOC" <firstname.lastname@example.org> 3. David Stone <email@example.com> 4. <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> 5. "Ortensie, Ronald R Civ USAF AETC AETC/HO" <Ronald.Ortensie@RANDOLPH.AF.MIL> -----Message from: "Horky, Roger Karl" <firstname.lastname@example.org>----- My thanks to all who replied. I had forgotten about the various strike variants of training aircraft produced for export sales, and definitely must account for them in my thinking. I am trying to demonstrate the difference between a "major" air arm and a "minor" air arm, and am using as my criterion for the former the ability to tailor aircraft design and production to their exact requirements (meaning that they need to serve a nation with its own aircraft industry). "Minor" air arms must accept aircraft created for other services, which may not exactly fit their needs. I am looking at the reciprocal relationship between consumers and producers of technology in the context of the old question: "does technology drive tactics/strategy/doctrine, or vice-versa?" The F-5 is an interesting case, for although it was not employed by any American air arm save the Aggressor Squadrons, it was designed to meet an American specification for export fighters, meaning that foreign services that used it were not entirely in control of the process. Actually, the PZL P.24 may not count either, as it was a variant of the Pulawski gull-winged fighter series. That leaves only the Mustang as an example of a warplane built for a foreign requirement--or am I missing something? Roger Horky PhD Student and Teaching Assistant History Department Texas A&M University College Station TX "Horky, Roger Karl" <email@example.com> -----Message from: "Kuehn, John Dr CIV USA TRADOC" <firstname.lastname@example.org>----- The Lockheed P-3F was produced for the Naval Air Arm of Iran and many delivered prior to the Fall of the Shah. They were still flying some of these several years ago (2002-ish). R, John T. Kuehn, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Military History Curriculum Developer Department of Military History U.S. Army Command and General Staff College Fort Leavenworth, KS "Kuehn, John Dr CIV USA TRADOC" <email@example.com> -----Message from: David Stone <firstname.lastname@example.org>----- Roger Horky asked "notwithstanding licensed production (Indian MiGs, Japanese F-15s, Canadian F-104s, &c), have there been any examples of an aircraft manufacturer producing a warplane to a foreign (only) specification since 1945?" There are Russian cases that come close to this, depending on how exactly you define a system and its variants. Given low budgets for military procurement, particularly until the last few years, and the resulting heavy reliance on foreign orders, there are Russian systems which have sold substantially higher numbers abroad than domestically. The Su-30 (an Su-27 variant) would be one; the MiG-29K another. Best, Dave Stone Kansas State University David Stone <email@example.com> -----Message from: <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com>----- F-16 I: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16_Fighting_Falcon_variants#F-16I_Sufa> Scott Palter Final Sword Productions LLC <firstname.lastname@example.org> -----Message from: "Ortensie, Ronald R Civ USAF AETC AETC/HO" <Ronald.Ortensie@RANDOLPH.AF.MIL>----- You could also look at Boeing's F-15 and its variants (F-15K Slam Eagle, an advanced version of the F-15E for the Republic of Korea), especially the newly minted "Stealth" or F-15 SE Silent Eagle version that they are marketing to foreign nations. http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2009/q1/090317a_nr.html Ray Ortensie Staff Historian "Ortensie, Ronald R Civ USAF AETC AETC/HO" <Ronald.Ortensie@RANDOLPH.AF.MIL> ----- For subscription help, go to: http://www.h-net.org/lists/help/ To change your subscription settings, go to http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=h-war -----