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1. "Kuehn, John Dr CIV USA TRADOC" <email@example.com> 2. firstname.lastname@example.org -----Message from: "Kuehn, John Dr CIV USA TRADOC" <email@example.com>----- We teach the Soviet-Finnish War as part of a two-part lesson on Blitzkrieg/limits of German Bliztkrieg. We use a piece by Jon House to discuss the impact of this debacle on reform in the Red Army, how it, along with the miserable "road march" performances in the Baltics and eastern Poland, served to highlight how much the Red Army had declined from poor policy, doctrine, leadership, and --above all--the Stalin purges. One wonders what might have happened had Stalin and the Red Army not received this "wake up call". Prior to it the whole thing was still very much under the pernicious influence of Vorishilov--too the Soviets suspected the Germans might have copies of their 1936 regulations due to a high level defection in the Far East during the purges (I think by a high NKVD officer of general rank) who turned over massive amounts of material on Soviet military planning to the Japanese. Of course, these fears were allayed somewhat after Nomonhan/Khalkin Gol. But in the environment of terror created by Stalin, movement of lessons learned, especially from officers in semi-exile in the far east, was pretty slow. The Soviets were changing their inadequate doctrine--good thing. The Germans hit them in the midst of the change--bad thing. We also use a piece by David Glantz, although his reference to the Soviet-Finnish war addresses the fact that the Red Air Force seemed to learn the wrong lessons, both in Mongolia and Finland. R, John John T. Kuehn, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Military History Curriculum Developer Department of Military History U.S. Army Command and General Staff College Fort Leavenworth, KS "Kuehn, John Dr CIV USA TRADOC" <firstname.lastname@example.org> -----Message from: email@example.com----- > From: Frode Lindgjerdet <fr-lind@FRISURF.NO> Date: Thursday, > February 11, 2010 9:53:37 AM Subject: Winter Warfare Soviet > experience at Moscow, more famous ? > > When I claimed that the Finnish effort during the 1939/40 war > with the Soviet Union was the "most famous", it was not due > to its general historical importance or extent in numerical > terms. First, it got all the classic elements; it is what > they teach in War Academies around the world when dealing > with winter warfare.> > With all due respects to Frode, would still question that the winter war experience in Russo-Finnish situation was most famous, given the described circumstances as presented. Could it be, what the War Academies should be teaching is that winter war is different based upon, the participants, the geography and location, and the kinds of weapons, technology available to the particular war era ? This certainly would explain, that war in Europe and Russia is likely much different as /winter war', than in Scandanavia. Further, winter war was experienced in the Italian-Austrian Front of WW I on quite another basis, here, the mountainous regions rather than those flat, open expanses characterizing the region between Germany and Russia's Moscow. Just some further thinking about the meaning of most famous and what might be considered valuable for a teaching course. Wyatt Reader UCLA___Whittier College California Subject: REPLY: Winter Warfare Soviet experience at Moscow, more famous ? firstname.lastname@example.org ----- For subscription help, go to: http://www.h-net.org/lists/help/ To change your subscription settings, go to http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=h-war -----