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As an economic historian who has also spent some considerable time living in, and studying, socialist societies, I would like to offer a few comments stimulated by the questions circulated by Susan Boettcher. In her numerical order, they are the following: 1. Econometrics is basically the application of classical or Bayesian statistics to economic data. Even very simple econometrics has wide uses, well beyond what we might regard as strictly "economic" questions (see Steven Levitt's _Freakonomics_ for wonderful illustrations of this point). But directly to Boettcher's question, it is not so much the econometric methodology that might have some serious bias, but the data themselves. For instance, econometrics could be used to test the labor theory of value or the organic composition of capital, if it had the right data to work with. But most of the available data reflect the contemporary concerns of the time and the place, as well as the ruling orthodoxy (or the orthodoxy of the rulers) and - most importantly of all - the resources available to collect and record the data. That is why import data are almost always better than export data, because the governments that collected import tariffs understandably devoted more resources to monitoring imports than to monitoring exports. That is also why we often have price or wage data, but no data on actual incomes. There are some wage data, even some good wage data, back to the 13th century, but no data on how often, or how long, or how many, people worked at those wages. So clever people find ways to study the standard of living in those times for which income data are not available by using data that are available, namely the height, weight, date and place of birth of military recruits, then combining findings from biology and nutrition with statistical techniques to ferret out trends in the standard of living among various populations. The trends found don't themselves have any ideological bias, but the analyst's explanation for, say, a decline in standards of living that shows up as a decline in the average height of a given population, may indeed have an ideological bias. If Boettcher is looking for ideological bias, it would seem to me that she should first look at the analyst, and secondly at the data, rather than at the use of econometrics per se. 2. Quantitative approaches are typically favored by people who want to move from the particular to the more general. As we learn in courses on logic, nothing can be proven by the piling up of anecdotes. In order to move beyond anecdote, some form of quantitification is necessary. For example, no matter what the society, there are always dissidents and rebels in that society. But it makes a difference if the dissidents and rebels are a tiny fraction of the total population, or a large and influential group. The intensity of their disaffection also is a crucial factor. To assess the importance or impact of those groups calls for quantification of these factors. As Boettcher herself points out regarding the historical evaluation of the Peasants' War, "much of this debate was conducted via an ever more hairsplitting Marxist class analysis." In her opinion, therefore, too many intellectual resources were devoted to a peripheral or perhaps even irrelevant line of analysis. The corollary of that is that relatively too few resources were devoted to other lines of analysis, so maybe there is a case for going back over the old ground, but looking at it with new perspectives and new tools. Second no. 2. It would be difficult to find any economic historian, in this day and age, who would argue against the value of contributions from cultural history, nor who would advocate "moving away from cultural history." One of the hallmarks of the maturation of the "new economic history" or "cliometrics" has been the movement away from the early focus on the debunking of former folklores toward the inclusion of more classically "historical" approaches into research in economic history, including the social and cultural. I hope, therefore, that in this point Boettcher is not advocating moving away from economic history or refusing to include what is useful from it into other streams of historical research. One of the signal contributions of "cliometricians" has been the unearthing of previously unused, sometimes even unknown, sources of data that can add important dimensions to the study of history in many countries. (Cf. the use of heights of military recruits previously referred to, or the hospital, school, anthropological, and census records used by so-called anthropometric historians.) I should think that cultural historians would welcome new knowledge on the standard of living of the peasantry, for example, in assessing the appeal of certain religious movements or revolutionary ideas among the peasantry. 3. I think that Boettcher is right on much of this point. I would merely add that she perhaps is overstating the amount of time and effort needed to acquire the basic economic literacy that she thinks should be emphasized. While she is correct in saying that to go on to advanced economic theory "calculus would have been necessary ... and very quickly differential equations would have been required," the economically-literate historian would not be expected to become a _producer_ of economic theories (for that matter, economics-trained economic historians also are not expected to be producers of economic theory), but rather an informed _consumer_. For most work in economic history intermediate-level micro and macro are all that is necessary on the theory side, and a good statistics course (which many graduate students in history now take, either as undergraduates or as part of their graduate programme) is sufficient on the statistics side. If one can understand _Freakonomics_, one can understand most of the really important works in quantitative economic history. 4. Again, there is little to argue with in this contribution, except that Prof. Boettcher has misconstrued the point when she asks "of how much value are economic theories and quantitative methods gauged to the evaluation and explanation of capitalism in analyzing pre-capitalist economies?" The analysis is most often independent of the type of economic system, except that the system sets the constraints within which the economic actors must operate. So consumer behavior, whether in a capitalist or a communist society and even though the outcomes might be radically different, can be evaluated using the standard tools of microeconomic theory. Similarly, the hyperinflation in the Soviet Union in the 1920s can be evaluated using the standard tools of monetary theory, or the distribution of output in a pre-capitalist subsistence economy with communal land tenure can be analyzed using the standard tools of welfare economics. The investment system of the planned economy, although very different from that of a capitalist economy, can be analyzed with the standard tools of investment analysis, just as the foraging of birds for food can be analyzed using standard risk-and-reward tools. And, when Boettcher tells us that "the early modernist wrestles even more necessarily with the problem of incomplete and/or unreliable data series," she is in fact making an implicit plea for bringing the tools of econometrics to bear on the problem. In general, I think that Boettcher draws too sharp a line between Marxist theories and standard mainstream economics. Much from Marx has been incorporated into modern economics, particularly in the areas of economic growth and development, but also into comparative economic systems and into theories of cooperation and conflict. Some of Marx's ideas, particularly the labor theory of value, have not been incorporated for, I think, good reason. That said, however, the theoretical distinctions may be irrelevant in any case: We don't need a special theory of the pre-capitalist economy, nor special pre-capitalist econometric tools, to evaluate the behavior of economic and social actors in such an economy; what we really need is a knowledge of the constraints (social, cultural, legal, economic) within which their decisions had to be made. Illuminating those constraints is work for many kinds of historians. Scott Eddie International Relations Programme University of Toronto
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